Total price and delivery placeholders not working

I have the following placeholders in my basket tpl:

[[+cart.total.delivery]]
[[+cart.total.payment]]

both output as 0 and do not get updated on cart update or change in delivery method.

Hey Gareth, when you’re viewing the cart it doesn’t have a delivery or payment cost yet - that’s only added later on in the checkout. If you’re trying to show these in the checkout, try using [[+order.total.delivery]].

At the bottom of my shopping cart [[!scDeliveryMethods`]] displays the shipping cost and the total including shipping.
Is it possible to use these two values inside the cart himself below the [[+cart.total.vat_total_formatted]] ?

[[+cart.total.delivery]]
[[+cart.total.payment]]

…gave me just “0” as a result and [[+order.total.delivery]] does not output anything.
Any hints?